The Many Personality Disorders of President Obama
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No joke
What do you get when you have a useless Psychology Degree and blatant disappointment with the current president? You get me writing a hub with shameless psychological humor and some serious truths about Obama. Welcome to my world folks.
My favorite course in college was "Abnormal Psychology". I distinctly remember the weeks we studied personality disorders. On the first day, the professor warned the students that we would probably assign ourselves, the people we knew, and/or family members to the many categories of mental disorders. He wasn't kidding- suddenly I realized my dad had Antisocial Disorder, my mom had Multiple Personalities, and my dog had Dependent Personality Disorder. All kidding aside, it's easy to see any of these traits and symptoms in everyone, but it's truly astonishing that we know one person who has them all- Mr. President Obama!
Borderline Personality Disorder
It is known that people with Borderline Personality Disorder are uncertain about their identity. Sound familiar? We're all uncertain about Obama's identity! Thankfully, Obama is getting help with this one because we now know he was born, and perhaps it was even in the United States. His mysterious past keeps us guessing, but he's dealing with it, and we should cut him some slack.
If he wants to be Muslim AND Christian, who are we to rain on his identity parade? If he wants to be BFFs with every foreign country, who are we to guess which border his identity and allegiance sides on? Why would we question a man who sides with Mexico to sue a state (Arizona) within his own country?
Another symptom of this disorder is serious folks- impulsiveness with money. How can we ignore this? He proposes more and more spending. Pissing out billions of dollars is the definition of impulsive spending and creating plans to spend even more money in the future, like Obamacare.
Avoidant Personality Disorder
While we're on the topic of money, Obama clearly suffers from avoidant personality simply because the same national debt issues keep resurfacing. I've been hounded relentlessly over a couple thousand dollars in debt, and yet Obama is able to avoid and postpone dealing with trilions. The economic issues were the main concerns when he got into office, and yet he's been able to avoid them for almost two years.
However, prognosis is good as most clinicians will agree these individuals, with help, can gain some ability to relate to others. Wouldn't that be something? Obama able to relate to us?
Paranoid Personality Disorder
This disorder is most common in men and can be genetic, but largely influenced by one's environment. So much that this person's environment is a constant trigger for suspicion.They will distrust those around them, this being displayed in Obama's view of Americans. His obvious distrust and dislike for Americans is so profound, he welcomes illegal immigrants into his country because he must believe they don't have as many hidden motives as Americans.
Obama should be warned though. Without treatment, these people will suffer complications in work and social isolation. This wuold be such a shame if it means he loses his job and we never hear or see him again. However, he's paranoid enough about losing the next election that he will go ahead and spend the other half of his term campaigning.
Anti-Social Personality Disorder
Definition: Antisocial personality disorder is a mental health condition in which a person has a long-term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others. This behavior is often criminal.
Couldn't have said it better myself. This describes Obama's campaign approach, his presidency thus far, and his negligence for the constitution and everything dear to Americans hearts and the American way.
Fire-setting and cruelty to animals during childhood are linked to the development of antisocial personality. Maybe we should have insisted knowing more about his past. But more recently, he did kill that poor fly. Too late now- we have a bonafide crazy in congress. Seriously, the description is startling: This person is able to act witty and charming, be arrogant, disregard others safety, break the law, and good at manipulating others. Sure, he was more charming than George W. but at what cost?
Dependent Personality Disorder
Those who have a dependent personality are well suited for presidency, Obama included. These people do not like taking personal responsibility for anything they do and have a hard time making decisions without support from others. Lucky for Obama, he has a team of people to assist him with decisions and a laundry list of people to blame everything on, George W. Bush taking the top spot.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
These people have an inflated sense of self-importance and a pre-occupation with themselves. This was first apparent during Obama's campaign when everybody (except me) first fell in love with him. This man actually won a Nobel Peace Prize for projected achievements. He is so good, he doesn't even have to acheive anything to get awards.
Those with this disorder also:
- warrant undeseving constant attention and admiration- you mean like during his campaign and the media's role?
- disregard others feelings. This would be what he's done for Americans in general.
- pursue mainly selfish goals. OBAMACARE.
Multiple Personality Disorder
Do I really need to go into detail for this one?
Obama's closing thoughts on mental illness
After the Arizona shooting tragedy, Obama described the actions of mentally ill Jared (the shooter), as "Evil". If mental illness is evil, then Obama is one wicked warlord.
Thank you for taking this warped journey with me. Remember, take your medications...if you can afford it. If you have a mental illness and can't afford your medications, Obama will secure you a spot in prison or homeless on the streets. If you lived in another country though, you'd receive assistance and recognition from our president.
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You are a rigid, religious fanatic! You are fearful of change, aggressive, and not very stylish. I could list some more flattering traits about you, but you're a conservative so you'll probably pull out your shotgun and go ape on me. - "Trump This .. Trumped"
Here I go starting trouble again. I love starting trouble so much apparently, that I'm doing it with people on my own side
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Well said. I'm not a trained professional, but even I can tell when "someone ain't quite right in the head".
This is a great angle.. It seems to me that this is a most common trait in most rulers,politicians and presidents throughout history who have ruined most of our lives.
Funny but tragic (for Americans) description, izettl. The only disorder not mentioned was schizophrenia. He does live in a world of his own!
I'm not sure people my age fell in love with Obama since we have been here before.
iz, Up, and beautiful. I'm so glad to see that you have a mind, and use it. Look how many wasted their's, loving him. H
I love your style and I did laugh, however,I am actually an Obama supporter. Whem GWB went in office Bill Clinton had actually began to turn Americas debt problem around and if you remember we were in a surplus. GWB decides to give the surplus to the rich even though it came as much from the middle class and poor and that's how we ended up in this mess. Trickle down economics does not work because the rich do not throw enough crumbs from their table for the poor to ever get a leg up. After eight long years of GWB giving all the wealth to the wealthy the economy collapsed, imagine that, because the middle class, that is now nonexistant, churns the wheels of our economy. I believe Obama thought he could secure change for this country, but after taking office he realized its not so easy to fight the real leaders of this country, big business. I was strongly disappoimted when he didn't end the tax breaks for the wealthy and I am sure his approval rating dropped drastically for this reason alone. Why is it the rich understand that you have to spend money in order to make money( or in this case grease the economic wheels in order for them to begin to turn)but not if it means taking care of the poor and giving the tax breaks to the middle class? It's an easy answer, Greed, pure and simple. So maybe the huge let down Obama and his supporters have suffered about the great changes expected during his presidency have made us all a little mental, lol:) Just a thought.
I knew it, Bush did it. I think I might have read that somewhere before.
Tammy, Check the unemployment figures under all three. Clinton had the beginning of the computer age, but left us in a recession. H
Old poolman, maybe you have read it because it's true? Do your own research, with an open mind, that's what I try to do. It's best to get your news from PBS, it's not slanted in either direction.
Harvey, thank you I will check those figures, My memory recollects the recession didn't begin until the tax breaks instituted as soon as GWB took office but i will do the research, I can't always rely on my memory:)
Harvey, did a little research on the unemployment numbers: 2000-4.0%, GWB takes office Jan. 20th,2001-4.7%, 2002-5.8%, 2003-6.0%, 2004-5.5% GWB re-elected, 2005-5.1%, 2006-4.6%, 2007-4.6%, 2008-5.8% (bubble finally bursts)2009-9.3%
Tammy dear don't be fooled. Obama was well aware of the economy when he swore into office. He should have worked on that first, even before his money wasting Obamacare plan. He should have tackled a budget right away, but instead it was tackled at the last minute literally. He knew he had GWB to blame and he used that to pursue his own goals while the budget loomed.
Yes I do remember the surplus with Clinton but that bubble burst, as you said so yourself in that last comment. Clinton got credit for that but where he cut back on (military) hurt us. When GWB (and most of America) decided we must take terrorists to war, of course the debt increased. Why don't we take it from our disaster relief fund to other countries?
Trickle down economics can work if we are talking about what the government is funding, like Planned Parenthood (in the past), then the wealthier can support their "causes" and throw money to them instead of the government.
THanks Char M for the comments- nice to see and it has been a while. I can agree with most of your statements as well.
Harvey~ thanks for showing up to my party- lol. Actually I wrote this hub because I didn't know much about politics until Obama was elected. i simply did not vote for him because I seriously recognized some personality issues in him. Well that's how this hub was finally born.
Tammybarnette~ Thanks for stopping by. I totally respect your opinion and give you props for coming into this comment section when many non-supporters of Obama will be at. That said, you speak of big business, but actually studies are showing that "liberals" have more money that conservatives- big business is an elite group in the U.S and so is celebrities, which many were Obama supporters. THey advertise how they give to charities, but that's literally pennies to them. They could be giving much more and gaining control of this country the way white male conservative big business men are. Celebrities trump them in money, but they choose to spend it on designer crap. Also, the average liberal American is supposedly more educated and wealthier than average conservatives. That's just the stats. I also wish Obama, knowing the economy would be a tough issue, would have addressed it all sooner. I also want to know where all Obama's celebrity supporters are at who could be spending money on these issues too. THey spend money to make money, but all for their image.
Poolman~ thanks for your humor here and common sense.
dahoglund~ I know for me, I wasn't impressed with any of my choices this last election. I certainly wasn't in love with Obama.
drbj~ honored to have your presence here. I thought the list was getting pretty long as it was, but you are right, I should have put schizoid disorder on it too.Thanks for the comment.
supercibor~ you're right, many of these traits are common in presidents even in the past. But some of these traits I recognized was actually a big reason why I didn't vote for Obama.
Breakfastpop~ I need to hop over to pop's. Thanks for hopping over to my hub and for your comment. So you noticed our president as the textbook case in Abnormal Psych? Good eye.
Char M, I agree the economy should have been the first order of business, but I also understand he wanted to tackle healthcare while he had the support. I believe all Americans deserve health care and admire that he would at least try something. The bubble that burst was not created by Bill Clinton but by the political maneuvers of GWB. And you are right, in a perfect society trickle down economics could work, but unfortunately we do not live in a perfect society and that ole greed monster gets in the way. As for the wars, actually 50% of this country did not support the war in Iraq and was upset that our government tried to spin it to be somehow linked to 911. I do believe other countries have a right to fight for a democracy but its not always our business to get involved, like with Vietnam, which this Iraq war smells a lot like. Thank you for your comments, a discussion is what is needed to rid ourselves of party line beliefs. I think during the next election the running canidates should not be allowed to run as a party, then the public could vote for the better choice and not the party choice.
izetti, I appreciate your comments and I totally agree that the U.S. royalty, hollywood, could and should do a lot more. Have you seen the movie with Demi Moore, "The Joneses", it's quite a funny movie and has caused me to believe that is Hollywoods role in our society to forever create want in our hearts for the silly materialistic things in life. That being said, all that consumption is what actually drives our economy, so maybe the hollywood royalty is actually doing their part:)However, the big business guy, the corporations, could have used their decade of tax breaks to create millions of jobs in the U.S., instead of shipping everything off to China and India so it can be made cheaper, It's that greed monster again. Not to mention that many of these so called Corporations are really just super wealthy individuals who incorporate for the tax breaks.
Tammy~ now that I can agree on- skip the party so we don't get blinded by the labels. Let's all vote for the best candidate. Honestly, Obama was probably the best candidate this last election, but that's not good enough. We need better choices.
Agreed on some your comment there, but things have been shipped to China because Americans won't buy a $500 VCR. When it's made cheaper, people actually buy it and can afford it. It's a catch 22 about shipping job overseas. You'd be shocked how much things would cost made here. I'd like to see that movie I'll have to check it out. It's just not good enough for hollywood to support a notion- put their money where their mouth is.
iz, Nothing further needed, he is a very sick man. He says the opposite of what he does. H
Tammy, Bush wasn't there in 2009, but all his figures are lower. H
"I believe all Americans deserve health care and admire that he would at least try something."
And so, despite the overwhelming opposition from angry citizens, Obama and the Democrats in a strictly partisan vote, leveraged by threats and promises, passed hated and despised Obamacare and shoved it down America's throat. Today, the majority of American voters want Obamacare repealed.
But you still think passing OBamacare was a good thing?
This is a very refreshing new take on Obama, izettl, and despite your tongue-in-cheek delivery, probably more accurate than you intended, especially the narcissism.
Sis,
I was on line commenting on this early this morning, and the satalite went down. We're back up now, but lost the better part of the day.
Where do I begin? I love you, I really do, but you make me sick. You really do. You wake up in the middle of the night because you can't sleep, and with one eye open, you snap out this little Picaso, and go back to sleep. Sis, you can be such an ass. I can't write anything close to this if you give me two weeks. Damn Girl!
Okay, I got this from the inside. The Obama tribe has a dog. It's a Portugeese Water Log. I mean dog! Dog's name? (Bo) Sonofabitch! That's my nic name (short for Jimbo) Leave it to this president. He's hates America, and apparently that includes American dogs too. What a prick. I forgot where I was going with this. Had something to do with Bo, Obama, and a BB gun. Oh well ..
This Hub was disgustingly up, useful, funny and awesome.
love ya sis!
jim BO
izzeti, your right we do need better choices. However, about that VCR, actually the cost remains the same the profit margin for the corporation is just not as large. Like I have been saying, greed. Thanks so much for the intelligent discussion
Will Starr, I respect all opinions even those in direct opposition to my own. But come on man, GWB made so many decisions for our country with only the partisan support of his own party.Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50% of Americans were flat out against going to war with Iraq, but he and his party shoved that right down our throats, I'm still gagging on it! Do you realize the cost of healthcare those poor men and women in uniform are looking forward to for the rest of their lives. Have you ever visited a V.A. Is that the kind of care you would want for yourself. Believe me I appreciate the fact that at least there are V.A. hospitals where the staff does the best they can with what they have. And let me say here how much I appreciate our men and women in uniform. By the way, no, most Americans are not saying they want ObamaCare repealled but probably half, so how about that half comes up with a better way instead of complaining about this one. Thanks for your comment.
Pants, Is iz your rewl sister? H
Tammy, Truth be told, about 70% of the people are against Obama-care. Ask your doctor what he/she thinks. H
"By the way, no, most Americans are not saying they want ObamaCare repealled but probably half, so how about that half comes up with a better way instead of complaining about this one."
53% of American voters want Obamacare repealed. That is by definition, MOST AMERICANS!
Only 40% support it, so why do Democrats and the left insist that Americans accept this piece of crap they so resoundingly do not want?
How arrogant is that?
Harvey, his numbers are all higher than those of Clinton, and the bubble bursting directly affected the huge increase of unemployment in 2009, Obama adopted this problem, he didn't create it. Thanks for your comments.
Will Starr, still waiting for a better idea, please share. I have health care insurance, I am lucky, every American should be so lucky.
Health Care wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't broken. My dog was bitten by a Diamond Back Rattler. (we have plenty of em out here.) She was in intensive care for two days. Hospitol bill? $1,800.00. My neighbor Mike (Old Poolman) had an employee get bitten by a Diamond Back on the job. Mike has a pool company. The bill? $122,000.00. Both dog and human doing fine now. Do any of you see a little problem here? Mike's employee and my dog received basicly the same treatment. I know, I know, It's not exactly the same, but if it costs 66 times as much to cure a human of the same ailment as is does an animal, you don't have to be a genius to figure out that medical costs are off the chart. I'm a businessman, and certainly not a genius, but I know this. Anytime you have two groups of people sitting around trying to figure out the best way to pay for something that doesn't work, you're in trouble. If people would take half the energy they use on argueing about this crap and use it to fix the medical system, we woul;dn't have a problem here, and we could focus on the other problems that are threatening this nation. Once again. Fix that which is broken. Don't figure out new and better ways to pay for it. Come on now.
jim
My very wealthy doctors may not agree with me, and as I have said I am one of the lucky Americans with insurance. Truth be told this problem is less about the cost of care and more about the cost Insurance( big business)Greed! I am not asking you or anyone to agree, just come up with a better plan instead of complaining about the one in place. That's what we are supposed to do, we are Americans.
"Will Starr, still waiting for a better idea, please share."
Not a problem...get government clear out of health care. Whenever government gets involved, costs always soar!
Health care costs took a big jump soon after the creation of guess what?...Medicare!!
As Ronald Reagan so wisely said, Government is not the solution to our problem; government IS the problem"!
But in any case, most Americans despise Obamacare, so let's get rid of it.
Harvey,
Sorry about that. You know this health care thing pisses me off. No, it's just kind of a joke betwen us. I call her my female twin, and over time we've just kind of grown into it. We're good friends, and I love her (in a sisterly way) laughing. We're both very fond of you Harvey. I think you've figured that one out.
pants
Will Starr, we get rid of medidare, are you joking. Do you know how many of the elderly depend on medicare and still have to choose between food and prescription drugs.Government needs to be the governing body, or create a governing body to set limits on the skyrocketing cost of care and insurance.
The man with no pants, Amen! Yes it is broken and it's high time it's fixed.
"Do you know how many of the elderly depend on medicare and still have to choose between food and prescription drugs."
Then why be so stingy? Why not have government take over everything and provide everyone with a fine house, great food, new cars, and free medical coverage?
Will Starr, I am not trying to say we should be communist or socialist. We need some tighter belts on our programs, no doubt. Far too many peoplw draw checks from welfare and disability who really just need to work. Ironically, now nobody can find work. I am saying all Americans should have the ability to have health coverage. "To whom much is given much is required", we are a very fortunate country and it is our job to take care of our own.
Pants, So sorry about your dog, I hate snakes!
Tammy, You may say you want to fix things, but Liberal's don't do that. You never got back about the recession Clinton left Bush, but you blame Bush for leaving one for Obama. You don't seem to like your wealthy doctors, go to a community hospital. You have no idea how much money they pay to get through med school, and start a practice. My dentist told me he spent $100,000 on the plumbing for his office, not a bathroom. He also had over $150,000 in loans. One thing he didn't have, guarante he would be successful. H
Tammy, Are you seeing things like your pic shows, upside down? H
Harvey, actually I love my doctor, she is amazing. And yes I do know the cost of education, I have two teenagers preparing for college and one who wants to be a doctor. Your poor dentist got ripped off, the cost of everything is so out of proportion these days buts it's not okay to just pass the buck. As for the recession left from Bill Clinton I'm sorry but it doesn't even register to me as a recession when unemployment was 4%. By the way I'm not a liberal, I am a concerned American without a party.
Harvey, low blow, new at this sight, didn't know how to rotate the pic. My husband took it and he loves it and said I should use it. No need to be rude.
Tammy,
(Laughing my ass off) I just noticed your picture. You're cute now that I twist my head. Tell your husband to get that fixed.
Welcome to the Hub. It's a rough bunch, but I can tell you, these people are all good people. Harvey is as tough as a bull dog, but he's got a heart as big as the country he loves. He's very smart too. Hang in there!
jim
Tammy, well,everybody...I do acknowledge a lot of the holes in both GWB and Obama's presidency. I think what I'm seeing with Obama is his own personal let down, which I knew would happen because he was overly confident during his campaign. Do I think he will be the one to fix things or at least head us in the right direction (even with another term)?- absolutely not. He knows this and many of us know it. Tammy, I also don't necessarily take sides regarding parties, I lean toward conservatism, but I look at issues as just issues, and not part of a party, even though they somehow get warped into being one-sided. Oh and I wouldn't worry about Harvey, he's harmless, but with a biting sense of humor.
Anyway,I do feel the average American is being slighted even by Obama- the elderly, the government workers (amny of which don't make big bucks), etc. There are big drains on our system and one of my biggest complaints I'd love to do something about but is not in my power at all is our handing out money and assistance when people in our own country need help AND we don't have the money to keep handing out. Most countries look at us as a joke and yet we still swoop in to fix their problems. Liberals always say we should butt out of their business and not create wars well that would also follow the lines of butting out and not offering constant assistance as well.
The healthcare thing is an issue, but tell me why I walk into my dr's office and they ask me if I am a non-hispanic. Why? If I was hispanic I would get free things. That's not right. We can't cover everyone because Hispanics, just to name one group, are getting free healthcare, schooling, and everything else. Again. let's provide for our own citizens first, but liberals have this issue of us looking selfish, let's take every stray dog in- bad comparison, but sort of fitting. It's just not possible and we see from this mess.
Jim with no pants~ That's why I am such a night owl. I always do my best thinking right before going to bed and late at night. Well, you got me thinking about politics last night in your emails so you're great for inspiration. I'll give you partial credit for this hub!
TheManWithNoPants, Thank you for your kind words and welcoming me aboard. I have pretty thick skin, I have been raised by a Republican family and I live in a Republican State, so I'm used to the banter, at least here it mostly intelligent and educational. I intend to read many of the hubs of those I spoke with today, I love this sight.
izzeti, I actually agree with you on many things and have enjoyed more than a couple of your hubs. To bad our government can't learn from us little folks, we have some opposing views but I think you and I could come out of a room with some great ideas. I totally agree we should take care of our own, I also believe we should mind our own business unless we are under attack. Your right , we shouldn't provide free anything to other ethnic groups unless they are our own underpriveleged citizens. And in those cases my beliefs are welfare should be on a time line, no lifers allowed. This gives people a leg up and if they choose to live in a gutter that is then their choice.As far as Obama or GWB or any past president goes they all have done some good and some not so good and then we find out about covert operations with weapons and it just goes on and on. Actually, presidents are just people and they are by nature gonna screw up. But we are Americans, and if the rest of the world is laughing at us we need fix their little red wagon. We, the people, need to take our country back:)
Tammy,
Izettl is the closest thing I'll ever have to a sister. Because of the age difference, our parents would have had to get naughty after it got gross in order for that to be an actualality though. She really is a female version of me and vis versa. That's why I refer to her as my twin. I think we actually know what the other is thinking. (laughing)
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jim
Will Starr~ thanks for the comments and you make some good points here. I'm stumped as to how to fix the healthcare issues, but I know those of us who pay for health insurance are paying for illegals and poor. Why is it coming out of our pockets instead of the insurance companies? You are right about Obamacare getting the boot and Americans will likely be supporting us. The other countries whom Obama fahsioned this plan after are discouraged by this type of healthcare. It wasn't really a fix, just another system with pluses and minuses and ultimately causing more issues.
Tammy~ I wanted to acknowledge what you said about greed- very ture indeed. Except I see it in others besides just the elite big business. I see it in an averge guy who owns his own business and wants to keep mroe for himself by hiring illegals and low-priced hispanics. I see this scenario first-hand everywhere where I live. We are made to feel sorry for small business owners and how they are trying to make ends meet, but that's not usually the case. Many are doing more than good and they are just greedy. But Tammy, I don't know how to change greed within human nature. It seems the wealthier people get, the stingier. Except we see celebrities flaunting and spending money, just not big bucks on worthy causes. We spoke of this earlier and I believe they are part of the problem- they get a lot of their clothes, accessories, products free from designers who want them to be seen in their stuff- loads of stuff gets sent to them, but the average American broke themselves and overextended themselves trying to be like or look like them.
Jim and Tammy~ yes, i do think it would seriously benefit people to stop taking sides as much. Myabe on some of the issues, but to come together to realize the biggest issus within our government and how it's ran inthe first place and who we have as presidential candidates.The way I feel about government is I'm always on the outside looking in.I want that to change, many of us do.
Tammy~ one more thing... i was reading your hub "Human Rights vs. Political Religious View". I enjoyed it, but there is no comments section there or an anility for people to comment- maybe you intended that...or not, just wondering.
This is one great article!
Very well written and without any "Mush". Thank you for your insight and opinion.
PS: I did not love him either.
Good read... the gov't wants all of us to be at odds... it's always surprising to me... that we don't see that both parties are on the same team... we lok at pros in other aspects of life and see it... football, baseball hoop... are all together they move about within the teams but there is only one union... and the politicians are the same way... the reason we have two parties is that's all they want... because they can control two... the only way to get their attention is to threaten their jobs.... I'm not a fan of the "tea Party" but that's the way to handle the gov't... threaten them... as far as Obama... we were all so glad he could speak that we didn't ask any questions... so W did his part to get Obama elected... we were all tired of his baffoonary... even his fans had had enough... greed is an amazing thing... handled correctly by the Gov't the country grows... but if taxed to a breaking point... one does not have to go broke to see where policy leads... so gather round kids and hear the news... we have been in China since Nixon... we are the Chi coms in business... we just put their names on it... every busy is based on greed... it's the American way... yet if the Gov't sets the tax structure to help business... even they become givers... with gov't help today... a single mom with three kids does better on gov't assistance that her counter part that makes 60k a year...the gov't is our biggest expenditure... they all say it's Medicare ...caid... and the like... the numbers are there...
Pure Narcissist! He can't understand why everyone isn't enamored with him. That made me laugh just to type it!
The Frog
izzeti, that was the first hub I wrote and didn't understand exactly how it worked, lol:) I thought of adding one later but I figured everyone who was gonna read it probably already had. Thanks for checking it out.
TheManWithNoPants, I am headed to your page to check it out. I am all about common sense approaches. I did read you profile page and love your style.
Love your hub, agree with it, not here to get into a political debate, however, I am not fooled by him, or his other 17 personalities! Lets get the USA back to its roots....land of the free, home of the brave. If I wanted to live in a socialist country, I'd move & take up new citizenship. Keep on hubbing, great work!
Tammy, My dentist didn't get ripped off, he is ready to retire after have two offices in very expensive areas. He is also a past President of the Endodontal Society in my state, which he helped found. He's no dummy.
The pic thing was a joke, I am a computer idiot. I'll check on the unemployment figures if I have time. H
Iz, et all-
Let me just recap some things-Great hub on the mental afflictions of the jr senator from Illinois- in the white house to be honest the way things are- All politicians have to be missing a few cards in the deck .... somewhere-
dear anyone Clinton enjoyed a fake realestate bubble and an overhyped economy GUess whaT HAPPENED? anyone remember say late 2001 NYc planes buildings etc... That act crashed everything.... So the fact the country did not go berserk is a testament to what GW did accomplish- GW LEAD the COUNTRY in a time of need- he went forth with the info he and a bi-partisan legislative branch agreed on TO DO something- THey basically all voted to act GW did not just decide to attack IRAQ he did not just start dropping bombs- (i.e. libya) he had a 100+ country coalition to kick Saddams bUTT and ublike what others want he said "Lets stay in there and start a country that hopefully won't turn into a 70's-80's Afganistan after the soviets bailed... as for The Guy in the Presidents seat Now unemployment was 9.6 according to government website-http://www.bls.gov/cps when Obama started it was 4.8 % and now its 9.6... As I understnd these are guarded numbers how can that be??? If he -BHO spent Billions to keep it down BUT it has doubled- Check those numbers if ypou want as i understand it "REAL unemployment is really closer to 15% Lets remember the DEM shell game of-12/3/2010- the labor department changes how the unemployed are counted-I guess if you can’t get the numbers you want-change the way they are counted, nice trick Dem and Obama.
I realize these facts will not suddenly make you see reality as the rest of the world does but please remember if the numbers don't work- don't change the abacus....
Have a NICE DAY
TH
Thanks so much for your comments TH, and your right your opinions of the truth do not change my opinions of the truth. Clinton did not create the bubble, when GWB took office and gave all if our hard earned dollars to the rich he created that bubble, the middle class that no longer exist, lost their ass because of that irresponsible move. The banks given credit to those middle class people were blamed as if it was all their fault that these people could no longer afford what was rightfully theirs. So many lost their jobs and life savings, but not the guys on top, they still got their bonuses.
When I looked up the unemployment figures I typed a decade of employment in the google search engine. I did not knowingly or willingly try to find biased information, not sure if the gov't web site is biased or not,lol:)
Oh, and I am sorry but I do not give GWB credit for the wonderful bipartisan legislation during 911, credit is due to the people and their state represenatives for putting aside their bitter differences in order to care for our wounded country. And please don't tie Iraq to 911, they are seperate entities.
Harvey, wasn't trying to offend you or your dentist friend. I never meant to imply either of you to be "dummies", that's exactly why I joined this sight. Intelligent conversation.And a disre to write and express my opinions. So can we agree to have truce and say we respectfully disagree:)
TB,
i referenced a .gov- a government website- how can it be biased giving out statistics... Clinton DID create the bubble when HE signed the The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law that requires banks and savings and loan associations to offer credit throughout their entire market area and prohibits them from targeting only wealthier neighborhoods with their services, a practice known as "redlining." The purpose of the CRA is to provide credit, including home ownership opportunities to underserved populations and commercial loans to small businesses. taken from moneygatherer.com ThaT MEANS HE MADE BANKS LOAN TO PEOPLE WHO COULDN"T PAY IT BACK- THAT is the reason they took a while to fail not your idea about giving money to the RiCH... not even sure what bill or law your talking about-
"Could not afford what was rightfully theirs"
WHAT? If something is yours - you own it if you are paying rent or a mortgage- IT IS NOT YOURS UNTIL YOU PAY THE $$$ BACK - look at your mortgage agreement that YOU enter into with THE BANk-- you don't really own it until you PAY OFF THE MONEY if you CANT afford the payments you should GET KICKED OUT after all legal courses are taken....
You hate Bush so much you cannot even give him credit - That is short sighted and sad.... you Lefties hate him so much you wont even give him credit for showing guts and leadership- something lil Barry Sotoro shows nothing resembling it except when he impunes the perople of the USA.
if tieing Iraq and afghanistan to 911 is such a far flung conspiracy then why did almost all of congress and the senate sign on to it- in a Bi-partisan way....but who spear headed that whole thing who is the only one who can declare war- Thats right the president.... Sorry but you cant separate the inseperable - we dont go to war if we are not attacked....9/11 was the reason for the war on Terror-
Have a jolly day
TH
curiad~ thank you. We are definitely in the same boat. I'm not loving what's going on either.
Froggy~ so many similarities of Obama in the personality disorders, but I think we all catch onto the narcissism. I had fun writing this. What started as a joke in my mind, got a little serious so it is what it is. Thank you for stopping by.
flamingville~ thanks for reading and glad you enjoyed it. I agree with all you've said.
TH~ wonderful comments. I agree with you about GWB, wasn't much of a fan, but a good leader gets others to act accordingly and to at least be partly responsible for the country standing together after 9/11, is a great feat. I see Clinton as enjoying and Internet and Real Estate bubble- right place at the right time. I will always think of his major accomplishment as getting the Family Medical Leave Act established. Working in Human Resources, I've seen this abused like you'd never believe, BUT there are people who have used it for its intended purposes like I did after having my daughter. I have seen good and bad to each president and I acknowledge all of that. I won't be so right-sided that I can't see to my left or what's in front of me.
Tammy and TH~ I get that GWB was wearing on people's nerves mostly because he wasn't a good public speaker and we all got the impression he was dumb. On real estate, he passed that bill for low income families to buy homes. This was awful! He meant well, but he was kind of left-sided for doing that (a lot of inconsistencies in him).
BUT as a country we should not voted Obama in just because we liked his stage and media presence better- this isn't a beauty contest. Obama appeared smart and appealed to our emotions with words like change and hope. We were fooled (well, not me). WE all should remember he was the first president to have a teleprompter installed for press conferences- how smart is that?
As I stated above to TH, we should give credit to GWB because he was the "leader" of our country during a time when we all stood together. Even I felt patriotic. It was honestly the first time I saw a backbone and confidence in him. I hate wars, I really do. My husband is so right sided, he hates it when I say that, BUT I was happy when we announced we were taking these terrorists to war. We've stayed too long though without making progress and Obama was supposed to be doing something about that but he's been wavering back and forth. It just seems the most important things like clearing the debt and making progress in this war are not being done. Obama gave money to the banks and big business to help out during this recession and the idea was that it would trickle down to the average Joe, but it didn't.
TH, They could have and would have payed their loans back if they hadn't lost their jobs and 401ks. I Know homes and cars are not yours till paid for, but your 401k you have been contibuting to for years sure is hell is.I agreed with war on Afghanistan, that was linked to 911, Iraq was not. I do not HATE anyone, I despise slanted policies and black and white mentality.
izzeti, if Clinton was just at the right place and time then what about GWB and 911? Different circumstances to be sure, but I believe our country would have went after Afganistan no matter who our president was at the time.
Th izzeti and anyone who cares to listen, have any of you lost your jobs or your 401ks? Have you ever worried about how to feed your children? Have you ever went to battle with your creditors and begged for them to freeze your accounts until you can find employment, or just merely work with you to lower your payments? Have you ever been divorced with 2 children trying to work a minimum wage job, go to school and care for your kids with no child support and had to use the welfare system just to get by, hanging your head the whole time feeling like a failure? See, I have. My heart and soul is tied to my belief system and is the reason for all of my choices including political ones. When the bubble burst and the banks were all bought out by our government, why wasn't this passed on to the consumers? Why weren't finance charges drooped to reasonable levels and payments made easier to achieve? Why?
Tammy~ The difference with Clinton and GWB, Clinton was in the right place at the right time during a good time and GWB was in the right place at the right time during a bad situation. It's easy to turn a good situation into good, but a bad one into good is tougher so I will give that credit to him. Obama during 9/11 would have some serious conflicting thoughts about going to war on terrorists, since he's a little shady about the Muslim thing. I still don't know about all that.
Jeanine~ Your comment makes a lot of good sense. It's always been in the government's best interest to have us against odds. I think by it being a two party focus that it works to their advantage and serves as an "us" and "them" platform. I truly want to know, where are our choices? THanks for stopping by Jeanine- always a pleasure.
Tammy~ yes I agree with you. The "credit" given to people is not for the people, it is purely for business and it makes me sick. It's like healthcare, those that take care of their health still pay the same premiums as those who have careless or reckless lifestyle habits. The people pay for the bad apples. Same in credit cards, so many people are responsible with them and then many more neglect to ever pay on them and/or claim bankruptcy. So again, we pay to bad apples.
I was disappointed at the get-go I thought Obama would take care of this mess a little better for us than for lenders. I kept thinking when is it the people's turn to get help. Trading in cars for money and house buyers tax credit is not enough. WEAK programs and then here came this HUGE Obamacare health care plan that wasted time and money and for far into the future. If he wants to do something for the future then drill for oil away from the middle east.
I lost my job when my daughter was 5 months old (during the recession). I made more than my husband so this was an incredible loss. Luckily I always held my husband back from buying a home so we rent. I never wanted to buy a home until we were mroe than secure. In my life, I've learned- if it can, it will. Shit happens basically and I've lived it. It took some serious cutting back and we've made it, but I am glad my husband was there to help out. We cut back and did not take out credit cards.
My mom was single mom and we were on welfare many times. That is what welfare is intended for, not for people taking advantage of that. I dont see anything wrong with medicare, disability, welfare- I really don't because we go back to taking the bad with the good. It's a good program but there are bad apples- don't take those programs away because of the bad apples. We pay for those guys enough through other things. We need to cut back our help to other countries and this is against the very priniciples liberals stand on- that's what I don't like about them.
You're basically asking the same questions I did when Obama got into office I expected to see some strong programs in place to help people, not just lenders. At least that much I was hoping for with Obama
This really has a lot of comments since yesterday. So many good ones. Tammy, I think all Americans deserve a lot of things, but much of that is taken away from them because non-Americans are getting free healthcare. I've heard it said the American dream is alive and well if you are not from here. Stop government funding to illegals and programs that assist them.
Make it harder to come into the U.S and let's fix what we've got. If your car is broken, you fix it, not invite more people to ride with you when it's broken.
I worked in the medical field and I know that when illegals come across that border, they are not getting their health checks- more disease and illnesses for our citizens, AND money for healthcare.If everyone got healthcare then we wouldn't have to deal with illegal immigrant situation.how convenient.
izettl~ enjoyed the comments on here very much.
Char, here in Arizona the illegals use emergency rooms as their personal physicians. The cry that we want to deny medical care to the poor and underprivileged just doesn't fly with me. Go to any ER in Arizona and be prepared for hours of waiting, behind all those with no money and no insurance. They also don't get only a band aide and a aspirin. If surgery is warranted they get that for free also, or I should say those of us with so-called insurance pay for it. I have a private insurance, and Medicare, and it NEVER pays my entire bill. I still have to get in my pocket to pay the difference.
You analogy is perfect, let's not invite more people to ride in our broken car until we fix it.
Amen and Amen, this is what I have been saying about taking our country back. I do not agree with libersl thinking when it comes to taking care of the world financially and I don't agree with conservatives wanting to make war with the world taking care of the world militarily. We need stricter policy but building a wall to nowhere will not work. I understand why others want to be here but it's our country and we have to think about our population which would help with our programs drastically.
izetti, no doubt bout those bad apples, been dealing with that since grade school, can't chew gum cause johnny stupid sticking it under the desk instead of throwing it in the trash,lol:) But with stricter regulations on our programs and taking the bad apples into account, I know these systems can work. They did for me and my mother as well.
izetti, thanks for sharing your story with me, us mommies gotta stick together, this is the world we are leaving our children too:)I am also disappointed not to see Obama shape his policies the way I expected, I think he's trying to hard to please everyone and right now he just needs to do what democrats do, we need to balance things out.
Tammy,
You don'yt want to try the Sob story with me.... you tapped the wrong vein here. I have not worked since 9/10/09-
It does not help that since then i have been officially told i was legally blind and due to several strokes that destroyed my short term memory and knocked my working IQ down 50 points. Oh yea i was dead for 6 minutes too and had a full aortic transplant and the installation of a mechanical heart valve- that kinda messes with my actual ability to work
... TRY earning nearly 3/4 of 100k and then not remember who you are or where you live/ work when you get out of a F'ing coma-THEN try lying in a bed for 3-4 weeks wishing you would just die to stop the pain and when that stopps you sit therewith 4-6 tubes in all sorts of fun places in your body- and some places where you dont really have holes and wonder if your going to ever walk again, or if you will speak againso don't bother laying on the sob story to me if you are healthy enough to work your already a step ahead of me -IF obamacare would have been in place when I WENT INTO THE HOSPITAL mY HEART SURGEONS BILLING PERSON SAID IN CONFIDENCE "DUE TO THE SEVERITY OF MY INJURIES and established survival rates - BELOW 15% IT IS LIKELY i WOULD NOT HAVE EVEN BEEN OPERATED ON"...
as for that bum in the White House his new regulations and war on major oil helped destroy the job I did have-or possibly could have done...oil companies didn't have the $$ they used to so the stop spending on environmental things first - because it does not make them money. under bush there was plenty of cash from exploration and money making projects to spend on other rthings. The obama economy suxs and there is no hope of it getting better unless your one of his democrat OVEr-paid union Thugs, or a worker in one of those unions....
sO PARDON ME IF I SEEM A LITTLE CRITICAL ABOUT THE TELEPROMPTER IN CHEIF,
i AM SORRY FOR THE SITUATION YOU FIND YOUSELF IN THE ECONOMY IS NOT YOURS OR MY FAULT HOWEVER WHAT WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE DONE TO FIX IT IS i AM SURE QUITE DIFFERENT FOR SURE...But you are correct thrre is a " better path meandering between swaying back and forth between the left and right depending on the issue
EITHER WAY HAVE A GOOD DAY
it was great for us all to participate in caring and sharing time....
SORRY IZ, I went a little long
TH
Well this is a maelstrom of comments, all one sided it seems.
I'm sure you're all wonderful, caring, compassionate people, to a point, and I respect you for that, but remember this, for many of us, people like tammybarnette are heroes.
You can postulate, tout figures, claim us as your opposition as something to be despised, hated even, that somehow whatever percentage we are, we're insignificant.
You claim that Obama and those of us that support him have psychological problems and that we should trust the private sector, that somehow big business is working for our greater good, that somehow it's the slackers, the con artists, the immigrants, the left wing ideologs, that are all the problem, and yet the rich keep getting richer, the middle class is evaporating, and it's all someone else's fault.
How about we all accept a little of the blame and responsibility for life's incredibly complex problems. There are no simple answers. There are no simple assertions of right and wrong.
It's easy to assert simple assertions of inadequacy in the face of enumerable points of detail. There are no easy answers and only way is to sit EVERYONE down together and find a common ground...everybody IS right, yet big business sits back rakes in the bucks and giggles with delight that no one is paying attention to them, and then, half the populace, give or take, wants to hand the reins of everything over to them...
Interesting hub - voted up... Although I am not a resident of your fair country it is quite obvious you are having the same problems with multiple disorder leaders as we have down here in Oz. Is this the coming of the 'New Age World Order Politics?' God forbid...
Well Good for you, Izettl!! Its about time somebody had the courage to touch on Obama's issues! I really enjoyed this hub,pushed all the buttons and Kudos to you ! Excellent !!! Thank you for sharing!
BBX,
So you hate rpivate sector, big business types - apparantly the free market...good idea demonize those people who ave the jobs and are willing to stay in a country that is NOW anti-bigbusiness....
I am sorry thatif people don't bow down to thank the communist in cheif. I will NEVER sit down with the LEFT especially since the right has been saying we need to be inclusive etc etc when power was spread out between the two- THEN when the LEFT takes over all 3 branches they slam through a ridiculous health care bill that they did not have the votes for to PASS so if you want to talk about working together, maybe we on the right would be more amicable,re,member we have to deem it passed instead of really voting....or "we have to pass it to know whats in it" or how about-"We won so we get to choose". good old John Conyers on the Health Care Bill, which he voted for: "I love these members, they get up and say, ‘Read the bill ... What good is reading the bill if it's a thousand pages and you don't have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?'" I agree though all politicians suk have no spines and speak with forked tongues ...
So I do realize- politicians do all say stupid things but the things they say and What they say them about is a bit different
TH
TH, I am so sincerely sorry to hear what you have been through, I truly am, I wasn't trying to give a sob story, I was only trying to explain why I have the opinions I have and I can clearly see why you have yours. You sound very angry and in your condition I would be as well. But yes, there is a way, just as we have all found a way to talk on this sight and try to make some since out of this mess we have found ourselves in, I do believe there is hope, I believe in the American people. If we stand up and fight back together instead of this 50/50 split thats been going on for quite some time now maybe we can implement real change.Clearly we don't agree on much, but there is a middle and we all have to find our way there or we all loose.
bbnix, wow good to see you, I been getting the @#$% kicked out of me here. I was beginning to think I was the only non-republican on hubpages. I am amazed at the support for big business and I do not understand. Just as you said, while we are all arguing the rich are laughing all the way to the bank. I don't think myself to be the most intelligent person I know or even in this conversation but its clear as the nose on your face that this private sector stuff does not work. As I said before we all just need to find the middle ground. And your completely right, there is enough blame to go around.
bbnix~ I was telling Tammy earlier that I have a hard time blaming big business, as much as I am not into them and what they stand for, but celebrities (actors, old money, and sports figures) make more money than many in big business- a lot of that money is made overseas too. AND most of the celebrities are liberals and left-minded, but put none very little/pennies of their own money where their mouth is. Where's our expectations on them. They are more entertaining than the elite white wealthy business man so let them slide by. Nobody even thinks of them. I get so tired of the same "big business" arguement. Celebrities get free stuff sent to them promotionally all the time and I wonder if all taxes are being claimed on that. Hmmm..
As I've explained before, this is not a one-sided deal here. The deal is it's been the same story in congress for a while- I wasn't a fan of GWB or McCain, but not Obama either. Why do people think there are only two wides? Our choices stink and if you see that, then you have been able to look past "sides". The main group action that would benefit Americans is coming together, not finding ways to be on different sides. I see so much fallacy in the way Obama was elected- I'm not Republican nor Democrat- I vote for the best candidate and so far not many have struck me. Obama got voted in because: black pride, Dems simply voting for their party, favorable media coverage, white guilt, McCain wasn't good competition, and people wanted a change. What they don't realize is politics are politics- no change there. You're not a dog, you don't have to support and be loyal Obama no matter what. It doesn't show strength in supporting someone just because they're in your party. What specifically has Obama done for you personally? PLEASE tell me.
I can't be strictly one-sided or I would have voted for "my party" and I didn't vote for either sucker last election. People are forced into voting for the lesser dumbass. If I was truly Republican, wouldn't I had voted for McCain, for my party? But I didn't. Just because I don't like the president, doesn't mean I'm on one side or the other. I believe in gay rights and pro-choice, but I do not believe our president is even close to being a good fit.
We can't take all the responsibility and blame ourselves because some things are done to us out of our control. I became disabled in 2009 from an unforseen illness- I was formerly extremely healthy person. Oh and did I mention that happened while I was on unemployment from getting laid off during the recession. This kind of stuff needs to be acknowledged by the government. Banks get bailed out immediately by Obama, but I have to wait 2 years for disability insurance to get approved and take effect? Now that's screwy. I didn't deserve nor can I possibly take full responsibility for the unfortunate events in my life. Mexicans are getting free health care and I'm struggling to pay my bills as time passes for disability to come. Obama has done nothing for me personally, but he has done better for you?
Tammy~ yes, I've got my sob story too as I mentioned a little above to bbnix. I don't think you were putting it out there as a sob story- for the record. You've had events in your life to make you believe one way or the other and we all have. I just ask myself what has this president done for me? Even with Clinton I was able to say he provided Family Medical Leave for families, partly paid for moms taking time off with a baby. My honest opinion is Tammy, you're a smart girl. Also, not to sound superior at all, but I wish there were more of us to represent a middle ground. I know you lean to the left and I lean to the right but we see clearly on both sides. I really do appreciate your comments here. God knows I've been wiped out on the very liberal sites.
I like you izzetl, I really do. You're intelligent, outspoken and obviously very special, but to say that a few celebrities compare to the trillions that big business makes is a straw man they want you to believe in.
Do you really think that the very few incredibly powerful people that run big business completely behind closed doors give a damn about you and me.
Sure Obama's not perfect, nobody is, but your assertion that us millions of people that voted for him and believe in him are somehow deluded is not only insulting, but an incredible miscalculation.
I'm sorry you and I have not benefited from Obama, but that's not why I support him. I support him for many reasons and you'll just have to have accept that.
It's obvious that you and I have countering opinions. I'll allow you yours, but you have to allow me mine, so I would appreciate it if you would just accept that as that and find it in your heart that Tammy and I are intelligent, analytical people that don't just believe what we're told.
I don't give a damn about celebrities and not much more about any politician, but I do know business, and believe me they would throw any of us "under a bus" to make a buck, but I'll tell you this, I do care about you, right wing, blue skinned, or twelve toed, no matter what you ever think of me as the "left-wing, liberal" I may be called or ever seem to be just for caring for people who can't speak for themselves...
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I do not try to stiffle anyones speechI believe the Tea Party and the union goons both have the right TO peacefully and respectfully express their opinions, but too often it seems a certain side resorts to race andclass warfare- sitting down with that side is damn near impossible On issues i too am not 100% on the "RIGHT" either, but I am far enough that way on most issues to I don't believe punishing the "rich" is a policy that will help anyone- we have to make it easier for tem to spend and grow their moneies through investment and job creation and THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN IF THE Government takes more and more money the more they make it Punishing the Rich never created a jobtaxing millionires never created a job- the key has to be finding a way for the investors to easily put their 44 into the economy and that way has never been pummeling them with taxes- "Spreading the wealth through taxes is "unamerican and anti growth"- Ataxdoes not create a job it inhibits growth- The Obama get even class warefare mentality is just another way to separate us and make races and classes angry toHards one another....
I am not saying it is solely his fault BUT he does notmake any compromises eas
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TH
No one is advocating punishing the rich - only to pay their fair share. They ARE doing well while the middle class is not - that is clear.
You attack me as anti-business. Where did I say that? What I do know is of their greed if left unchecked. All I said is that I'm not allowing these guys dictate my future, and as far as jobs are concerned, I make my own, I am the capitalist system. I pay my taxes. I alone fill a need - I don't need their jobs, but they sure make it hard for me to compete with their massive money machine.
Where is the justice in that, I have no lobbyists, no one to speak for me, and even if I was an employee, that's a two way street anyway. They couldn't create jobs if there wasn't a happy secure worker to do it, or even buy their stuff, period.
As a capitalist myself, I believe in the system, a system enabled by a government led belief in a common good, which business, by definition, does not. Their job is to make money. Their decisions are relative to that survival, it has to be. In other words, a business will never invent something to put themselves out of business. Government has much more to consider, and if that means guiding business to meet those ends, so be it - the money people will survive in any event, but on the other hand who will help the hard working American who lost his job, his car, then his house, certainly not the rich.
No one advocates a socialist system, but hey, businesses get a hand up all the freakin time - how about the little guy with no voice whatsoever.
Obama is my guy, I believe in him. You may not want to hear it, but millions, and that's millions of people, as ever dedicated and hard working as you, do so too.
Your just going to have accept that and it would serve everyone a lot better to simply argue the merits and the ideas of your side rather than demonizing and belittling the other...
Thanks Izettl, cool article. If Obama has these disorders, it came about when he thought he could fix all the things that George W. has broken. It's sad I feel sympathy for Obama. Those Illumati's drove him crazy.
Well I had wrote a well thought out comment and slipped on the key pad and erased the whole thing. So I wiil try to remember what I said,lol
izzeti, I completely agree with you about the celebrities. Have you ever seen MTVs cribs. It's unreal the monsterous homes and amounts of vehicles, more cars than a dealership, that these individuals own. A disgusting display of wealth and greed. But, I don't think their all liberals, I could be wrong but I don't think Jay Leno is... Anyway, I wanted to say that you have been nothing but kind and gracious to me here and it's clear that we can all meet in the middle. We all have one thing in common, we love our country and that is a good starting place:)As for what Obama has done for me: I am not as well versed at legislation as many here are, my brain only seems to retain the facts and not the details,lol, but I believe he passed a bill for equal pay for women doing the same job as her male counterpart, that's something I can respect.
bbnix, I totally agree about Big Business, and I include the celebrities in this thought: they are so far removed from the reality of middle America that they may actually believe the pennies they donate do some good. However, my problem with the big business guys is the fact they pay as little as they can get away with, hire immigrants for even lower or under the table wages and ship our jobs to China and India for even lower wages all in order to increase their profit margins. These inflated profit margins raise the price on the stock creating a fake view of wealth and prosperity.That really gets under my skin, and they get tax breaks on top of that.
TH I do not believe in punishing the rich. I mean, that's the American dream, and it is our birthright to be able to achieve this dream. I believe in flat tax, same percentage for all, yes this means the rich pay more,and they should, it's fair. As for Obama not making compromises that's just not true, he pissed off his entire party by letting the Bush tax cuts for the top 2% carry on. He is trying to reach across party lines.
Bb,
At what point have i belittled ANYONE? I HAVE ARGUED MY POINTS, BARRY IS YOUR GUY SO WHAT... I am sure you were all fair with "W" RIGHT ...aS FOR PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE THE "RICH 10% PAY MORE THAN THR OTHER 90% HOW MUCH IS FAIR? here are the latest numbers fromhttp://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0415/Taxes-and-t
"The top 1 percent of earners account for 20.3 percent of total personal income in the United States and pay 21.5 percent of all federal and state taxes. The middle 20 percent of households earn 11.6 percent of US income and pay 10.3 percent of taxes. The lowest 20 percent account for just 3.5 percent of income, and pay 2 percent of all taxes. i'll be the first to say the lowest 20% should get a tax break to mybe 1% because there money comes in and out asap 20.3% comes from the top 1% taxpayers"- How MUCH MORE SHOULD THEY HAVE TO PAY? can you say hello Communism/socialism... So what is fair to you and who gives any what is fair??? What/who gives only one person the right to decide? (hint-No ONE)
as for stifling speech I HAVE NEVER TOLD ANY OF YOU bleeding heart lefties to SHUT UP.... It is you who accuse me of being against speaking your mind...I looked back at ALL my comments and NOT ONCE did I tell any of you lefties to be silent.. So I don't know where you got that idea from-belittling and Demonizing HUH??- I only have given facts and figures with websites as references since when are facts demeaning or inflamatory- so I have no clue how you got to that conclusion.
As for business folk- as one yourself you should know their only reason for existance is,,,, say it with me BB their ONLY REASON is .. TO MAKE MONEY.. thats it they have no responsibility to be a charity and hand out money like the salvation army... NONE- If you have an employee that sux what do you do you try to help him do and get better but if he wont or cant improve- you set him free to find something he can do...you as a business man-know that your job is to make money.. if you say its not your being disingenuous- If business does not make MONEY they close unless the govt props them up..which i was not in favor of... THe governments only true job is to protect the business from physical attack or dishonest business practices that harm the public, then environment or are illegal to allow an environment where choice is free and unbaised is possible- The government has NO ROLE IN "guiding business to meet some ends" Business should not be guided by anything but the free market- Government guiding the free market is socialism or communism...
Obama is your guy I understand and respect YOUR choice in that as you should respect my decision to say "Barry is Not My guy" At no time did I impune your choice directly I merely plced axioms indicating why he was not my choice ...At least in this hub...
Please in the future DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF DEMONIZATION WHEN I HAVE NOT DONE SO....I LEAVE THE BERATING AND DEMONIZATION TO SAUL ALINSKI AND THE LIBERALS
GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR
THANKS AAIN
IZ FOR THE FORUM for "caring and sharing"
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I like the flat tax too- but its like finding the loch ness monster-there are hints and potential sighting by reputable people but we never seem to get a good look at it because it is so simple to believein it cant be real...So Tammy I am on board with the flat tax or National sales tax - no income tax.....or state tax but those concepts are too easy to understand so it will never come from anyone in govt....
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TH Amen, It does seem so many of our issues have solutions that aren't rocket science, just common sense:)We agree on something so we have already achieved more than our leaders today.
Osama Bin Laden is dead! woohoo:)
Whoa so many comments and great ones too. Tammy and bbnix- I know you guys stuck your neck out here and commented on a hub that didn't reside with your views so I'll totally give you credit for that.
bbnix~ I am not crazy about the last few presidents. My point is less about politics and more about presidents in general. Yes I know the two go hand in hand, but not exactly. Let me exaplain: The middle class and working class has not been screwed over night. We have had many Republican and Democratic presidents and mixtures in congress and STILL the middle class and working people are he ones hurt the most. Obama has taken away the cost of living increases which further screws the non-wealthy, elderly (my mom), and government employees (my husband who makes a lot less than what people think government employees make)so you can understand why this hits home for me and is partly an emotional decision to not support Obama.
You mentioned that you don't like to follow what you're being told and that's why I bring up clebrities. If had a nickel for every time I heard big business and wealthy businessmen being the problem, I'd be richer than them. That's what everybody loves to have you focus on- that's regurgitated info, old arguement, but why don't people bring celebriies up. What are they paying for taxes and all the free products they receive? Its like a slight of hand magic trick- focus on the rich businessmen while celebs are making 2 million a pop for photo shoot and advertising gigs, overseas as well. Their not filthy rich, they're stinking rich (and greedy)and they are not a minority rich group, there are as many of them as there are big businessmen and sadly, they are 100% fully supported by us. The media reports more on the big business issues than on on how much celebs are getting away with so in a sense you are believing what you are told.
You say these businessmen would throw middle class people under the bus- yep I agree, but what about celebs who screw up big time like substance abuse, etc and come back to have more publicity and make more money. My husband had some "trouble" in his life and it took him about 10 years of very hard work to clear up his life and get on track. Celebs get away with as much dirty business as big businessmen. So actually we agree on something.. .sorta. DOn't get me wrong, I totally respect your opinion on here.
We all have good points, some differing, but we all don't like what's going on. Thanks again for your comment.
TH~ you have some strong arguements here. I've been your follower for a while and so I know where you'r coming from. You are me on my worst days when I get to thinking about politics. What pises me off, does for you too.
Tammy~ Oh man I've done that accidental deleting my comment- so frustrating. I mentioned before somewhere on here that I feel like I'm on the outside looking into our government. It all seems like common sense to us and I know Obama isn't an idiot,really I'll admit that. So there are pieces, politics involved, we don't get and e don't see fully through the media. I also get the feeling like we (middle and working class) get punished for their opposing poltics and agendas. Could you imagine if they sit down together (repubs and dems) to figure things out and we (many average liberals and conservatives) can't even come to decisions and have decent conversations among each other. If they're anything like a poltical forum on hubpages with opposing parties, boy we're in trouble.
Tammy and bbnix~ people blame big business for paying little as they can, but that's good business- lol. Anyway,the average Joe who owns his own business and is middle class is doing the same thing- doing what he can to pay as little taxes as possible (many cheat. I have 6 business owner friends) and they hire Mexicans and cheap labor to cut costs too. This seems to be a business model for both the walthy AND middle class business owners so can't totally blame some of the businessmen for doing much better than others. Sad, but true. Now, we could head off cheap labor to start with by actually enforcing our border and illegal immigration laws and policies, then cheap labor wouldn't be such an issue and the underprivileged middle and working class American male could get a job.I don't know where you guys live but our area has such a problem with illegal Hispanics and Russians living wonderfully on our system and getting jobs. I know of multiple Mexicans who will all use the same social security number among all of them. One has a legitimate number and the illegals all use it. How is that any less criminal than big business? t's just that big business is easy target and in the media.
Brinafr3sh~ thanks for stopping by. I do feel sympathy for Obama- He did not realize what he was getting into and when many sai he wasn't experienced enough, I do think that's where it showed the most.I think he'll give it his best, I don't doubt, but it won't be what he nor us hoped for.
bbnix~ I like you too-lol.
Tammy~ I get this feeling like we (Americans) are the kids being used as pawn in our parents' (congress/government) argument. First we don't know all thats going on yet our whole lives are being governed by what happens in the White House.
Mysterious One~ thank you for the supportive comment!
Son of Chick~ I'm as lost as you are as to what our politics are turning into.THanks for the comment
izetti, love the fighting parents analogy:) I think your on to something there. I realize that its easy for us to all get on here and come up with common sense solutions and your right Obama and all the presidents before were intelligent men; (big gulp, hard for me to say about GWB because he talked like such a moron,lol but I know he was somewhat intelligent,had to be). There is far more to running this country and trying to be part of a global economy than we will ever know(unless one of us runs for president,lol.) So it makes it easy for us to judge, kinda like when your friend is in a bad relationship and you can see it but she can't because she's all emotionally involved and as someone said on their page,"love and hate are both blind".Although Obama brought more transparency to government, we still can't fathom everything there is to know. But it's always obvious on the incoming presidents face, at inauguration they look all fresh and happy, Obama already looks 10 yrs. older and he quit smoking,lol.
All,
"Cum by ya ma lord cum by ya" everyone hold hands lets sing...Dance to the right ... now to the left ... hands in the airok.. hands in the air "weare the world we are the children" Bin Ladens dead so letssing "ding dong the dick is dead" Thew wicked dick is dead".
All-Not sure whats left to say...
Oh and IZ- imagine me on a bad day.....*MUHUHAHAHA MUHUHAHAHAAAAA* cOUGH COUGH*
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This is great! Am sharing this on FB!!
I knew it had to be George W's fault! Seriously though, I am a product of Obama care! We as a family had a great health insurance plan for nearly 40 yrs but becuz our insurance co has to pick up all the dead wood now, our premiums have jumped to the point that we have to give our plans up. Shows again how riddled with lies his promises are. You can keep your plan IF you can afford it. Thanks Obama we needed this!
Some people actually thought this was funny but not me, no sir, I'm no dummy. I recognize a good clinical analysis when I see it. Washington is a nuthouse filled with mental disorders. Once you see it that way, it all makes sense. It's like leaving your wallet with a crazy man at Wal-Mart...you never know what he's gonna buy but he'll understand it! Thanks for sharing. WB
Thanks so much Cari Jean!
Betty M~ Everyting comes with a price. I had independent insurance while I was unemployed at that jumped through the roof. Then my husband got a regular job and we got insurance- I'm still not sure if it actually pays for anything and I have a chronic illness. Obamacare certainly isn't the answer. It has as many negatives as positives so the whoel things cancels itself out.
Wayne Brown~ thanks for the witty reply. Love the Walmart analogy. Funny, I started this hub jokingly then it actually was starting to be serious with how true I realized it all was. Thanks for stopping by.
Tammy~ agreed 100% with your comment. This has been interesting to discuss, and worth it (also more enjoyable)when there are different views. I just realized we have both had some rough times for sure and because of that I think you gained a compassion more liberal people are known for (not always true, but with you I can see that) and I leaned toward conservatism because of my rought times and I remember better times when life was more structured, and people perservered because they went through rough times. I don't have a lot of empathy for special interest/minority groups because we've all had to overcome something in our lives, sometimes everyday as I do with a chronic illness. I think if I can overcome every day so can others.
The truth be said all politicians suffer from some or all of the traits you have listed izettl. I call it survival instincts. Politicians prey on the minds of people and play their countries like a game of poker. Its a game of chance and power. The fact about being a politician is also that you can please some of the people all of the time, but not please all of the people all of the time, hence whilst to you B.O has never lived up to your expectations, to others he seems to be doing alright. This I'm sure was also the case when GWB and Clinton were in power. You are very passionate about what you believe in, and I totally admire this quality in you. I also agree with the fact that the American government should learn to mind their back garden and make sure it's weed free before they decide to pull out the weeds in another's garden. I have always wondered why governments like the American and British are quick to sort out if not end up creating more mess in someone's country when there are major issues back home that need immediate attention.
I 100% agree with you about we all having had to overcome something in our lives to be where we are. Over here in the United Kingdom, its the high dependency on the various types of state benefits that gets my back up, but that's another story. I think I should start paying more attention to politics, so that I can make effective contributions. I have enjoyed reading your hub and the varying perspectives that have ensued from the comments left by fellow hubbers.
PK2010~ I agree. That's why I've been saying for a while now that we don't have very good presidential candidates to begin with and that needs to change.
I liked Bill Clinton for the most part, but he cheated on his wife (and lied) so that dropped him a few points for me.
If I had written this type of hub when GWB was president, I would have done something on his speaking skills, such as all the words he invented because he didn't know how to pronounce or find the right for word when he was speaking. Obama was sure not to make this mistqke as he was our first president to installa teleprompter at press conferences.
I've been learning a little more about the Brittish politics and I see that as a mess also. I started learning about U.S politics because I was 35 (now 36) and did not know anything about what I was voting for so I didn't vote at all. This last election was the first Iwatched and paid attention to and I thought it was awful the way Obama was worshipped by media and people yet no one knew much about him, really. I also saw some interesting characteristics in him that I didn't like and still believe he is narcissistic, which every president perhaps has to be a little, but not to the extent I see in him. He was not aware of laws and aspects of the constitution, which also made me realize he was not the best candidate. U.S wanted a change but I hope they realize the change has to be deeper than the president. The whole system needs a make-over. I'd like ot see more power to the states individually and less to government as a whole.
THanks for following themanwithnopants and our political debates. It gets crazy sometimes, but we're harmless.
izzetl you made a very interesting point that I have never thought of before, but has taken me back to the last prime ministerial elections. Tony Blair (labour party) had handed over power to Gordon Brown. The latter was fighting to stay into power in a race against David Cameron(conservative party) and Nick Clegg(liberal democrat). I voted for Nick Clegg, not because I knew what he was about, but because I thought Britain needed a change. To cut a long story short, there was a "hung parliament". David Cameron was in the lead so was given the mandate to choose which party to go into power with. David joined forces with Nick and the rest as they say is now a complete mess. I think people should be educated more when it comes to elections and truly understand why and who they are voting for, to avoid disappointments. Of course there will always be a winner and a loser, hence not all voters will get what they were hoping to get, but education is a start. On the part of the politicians, they should be honest and deliver the promises they sing to us during the elections. We know it can't be as easy as abc, but signs of an effort is always appreciated. We all know that politicians are not honest. They will kiss the ground you walk on to get your vote, but once they get what they want...Read this article about what happened to Gordon Brown during the last elections. I'm still tickled at the thought of it, but it demonstrates what I mean by the fact that all politicians are liars.http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&xhr=t&q=the+story+o
I enjoy the electric charged atmostphere that comes from your hubs and themanwithnopants. Its crazy, yes, but worth the read, because there is always something to learn.
PK2010~ You knew more about politics than you let on. I will be checking your link out next.
The interesting thing I've noticed about mine and themantwithnopants (Jim) political hubs are getting less people who disagree about our ideas. To me that means more people are beignning to shift in their thoughts about Obama and actually seeing he has not done anything personally for them. I ask everyone who is in favor for him, 'What has he done for you personally'. At least with Clinton, I was able to answer- he gave women (and men) paid time off for staying with their newborn baby (Family Medical Leave). Two years in is about the time we should be seeing something as promised by Obama and people aren't.
PK~ just checked out that link. He's probably not the first who's said those things about concerned citizens. Awful and distasteful. Politicians are completely different people in public. That's why I think our system to become president is far too easy. THe media gets a hold of the favored candidate and reports only good things about that person, but we all knwo it's not true. In the U.S case, the media always favors liberals/Dems. Thanks for sharing the link- great example.
izzetl, I admit I know a thing or two about politics, but have never been keen on it, hence never actively engaged in it. Probably still won't althugh I must admit you and themanwithnopants (totally love his hubname!) are getting me interested. Tonight I listened to the news, because I wanted to know what was going on. You and Jim (if I may address him as such) are almost influencing me in that direction, which is great. I guess to a point we should all be involved in politics either via passive or active participation. At the end of the day as themanwithnopants said in one of his hubs, (sure I'm not misread here, if I am, then I stand corrected), we pay the presidents,prime ministers...via tax we pay from our sweat and toil to work for us, so we must have a say when we are not happy with the services they render. If we are not allowed to exercise our right to freedom of speech, then democracy has lost its meaning in a world where politicians "can do no wrong".
Re the link, you are most welcome.
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I think that I have a disorder from reading to many comments here, being blinded by a walmat winner ad that is flashing.
good job.
Thank you OpinionDuck for stopping by- always appreciate it. Damn Walmart ads will get you every time.
PK2010~ I didn't like to discuss politics at all up until about a year ago and I figured even though I may not directly change somethign I should know what is going on in my country. I enjoyed political hubs because it gave me a more honest look into politics rather than relying solely on news and TV media which can be jarbled truth. I enjoy Jim because he is working to take some action and I commend him for that.
When I saw the title you gave this I just had to read it. Interesting twist by using humor to state some real issues. Awesome and funny at the same time. I enjoyed this tremendously. What else can I say? I voted up. I also bookmarked this because I have to come back and read some of the comments.
Glenn~ thanks so much for a nice comment. Nice comments are great on political hubs. Actually I began this on a serious note, but went into it with some humor and sarcasm for my personal touch. Glad you got my intentions- thanks again.
Hi Izeetl
I enjoyed this Hub very much Let me say some about the line you wrote [quote ] "f he wants to be Muslim AND Christian, who are we to rain on his identity parade? " Most Muslims find the middle name Hussain very offensive and they demand he should remove that or simply declare he is a Muslim
When he was running the presidential campaign I didnt fall in love with him either
I dont hate him personally its not in my character but I smell something fishy about your president
I have a hunch its all set up by some dark force and he may most likely get relected into White House Because :
1 He found and killed OBL Of course you ll argue that the triumph will soon prove short lived and public will focus on Recession
2 Republicans still havnt presented a strong candidate for presidency TRunp is a joker and Sara Palin isnt up to the mark and others are obscure
Waqxi
When will the right man /women be elected president of USA?
Waqxi
I loved this hub you have a talent for speaking your mind (the truth) with tongue in cheek. I am from Australia and havn't really been able to make my mind up about your president, however I have always been a bit sus about him and your hub has helped clear up a few questions for me. I think you have become my favorite hubber (but don't tell the others) :)
Thanks Christine! What wonderful comments from you. You're not the only one with some suspicions about Obama. I had them before he was elected.
waxi~ you ask when the right man/woman will be elected in the U.S. Peopel need to stop voting for a president like it's a popularity contest. THe media is also very bias.
Presidents voted in as a popularity contest is exactly right.When television viewers were questioned after the Nixon/ kennedy debate they responded that Kennedy won the debate.Radio listeners said Nixon won. You should do a character analysis on the crazy Prime Minister cameron we are saddled with in the UK. Voted up
seanorjohn~ thanks for the comment. I'm just educating myself about U.S politics, but if UK is suffering as much as we are here with Obama...good luck.
Too many comments for me to read so forgive me if I am repeating but all you have to do is listen to and analyze any of his speeches and it is easy to see this guy is a pathological LIAR and more like a robot than a human being. When he was running and appeared with Rick Warren who asked him "when does life begin" he had the gall to answer it was above his pay grade to answer that question! Well if it was above his pay grade then why did his voting record show that it wasn't above his pay grade to vote for abortion, for death? Wouldn't a Christian err on the side of life if he wasn't sure? No this guy was broken from the start and just a puppet of evil doers behind the scene.
Thank God this guy is on his way out...his approval ratings are now so low the Kenyans are accusing him of having been born in the United States. :-)
tsadjatko~ You said it perfectly when you say THank God this guy is on his way out. I was not very informed on politics before Obama, but I realized just from his personality and public persona, he was not suited to run our country, more like run a personal personal worship center for himself, but that's it. He would be a good cult leader. Thank you for your comment.I like your last line- lol.!
Well, that last line is not an original of mine but I did include it in my "Hilarious stuff I found on the web ..." which includes some more Obama humor you may like! Your "shameless psychological humor and some serious truths about Obama" is just terrific commentary.
tsadjatko- thank so much.
Great hub, laughed for an hour, over it and the comments. No not a slow reader, just couldn't see with the tears in my eyes. Never thought the man was crazy, just didn't like him after the first it was Bush's fault, sounded to much like my three year old granddaughter. I've been trying to break her of that habit. Did not vote for him, hope someone good will run so we actually have someone to take his place. Only thing I can say is enough with the wining already. I get it enough at home.
Janeal~ Glad to give you a laugh. I had fun writing this hub. I didn't know much about politics until after Obama was elected. I knew I didn't like him for several reasons though and hence this hub was born. THanks for stoping by and commenting.
breakfastpop Level 8 Commenter 12 months ago
Well done. I too took abnormal psych and this president is represented in every single chapter!